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TiddlyWiki Criticism

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https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10417071

galfarragem 458 days ago [-]
Tiddlywiki only needs a better UX/UI to be a killer app. Evernote with a scripting and plain text approach would be a killer app also..


https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8807201

b6 747 days ago | parent | favorite | on: Ask HN: How do you manage/organize information and...

I recently started keeping track of a lot of stuff in Tiddlywiki (in server mode). I keep a browser tab open to localhost:8080.

 

ay1n 747 days ago [-]


I've used Tiddlywiki in the past but I didn't quite like it (just my experience, I know that a lot of people use it). Switched to dokuwiki and after that to media wiki and I'm using this now, but as you can guess from the question, I'm trying to find/build something better for my needs ;).

How do you use Tiddlywiki - do you often search or do you know where did you put some note? What in your opinion are pros and cons of this wiki? What do you think is the biggest problem?

  • b6 747 days ago [-]
    I just search. Between text and tags, I always seem to be able to find whatever I'm looking for.

    Pros: It's easy to set up, and has been robust. I like it that it stores its data in the filesystem, in a location of my choosing.

    Cons: It seems to use a somewhat unconventional formatting syntax. I find a lot of the terminology pretty opaque. Having had a few scary configuration-related incidents, I don't try to push it to do exactly what I want anymore.

    I'm glad to have found Tiddlywiki and set it up, because at the time, I was storing notes in a thousands-of-lines-long text file, which just wasn't working. But I should probably resurvey the scene and see if there's anything better.

  • ar-jan 746 days ago [-]

    I recently started trying out both Tiddlywiki and Zim Wiki, and I'm starting to like Zim better. With Tiddly I didn't feel like I had stuff really organized. Of course you can search, but it didn't feel right for me.

    With Zim everything is in plain text files, and it integrates with version control. This makes things more transparent (to me at least), and you can still use some useful things like filtering with tags, searching, todo-list overviews, etc.

 


05Jan17

I am studying the "findability" problem and tend to look on matters from mostly this point of view.
I have to put the question wider:
it's not me who is not aware of resources available, it's newcomers to any are who are not able to locate quickly what they are after.
In this particular case, I am not able to start quickly in TWederation development. But that is just my particular case. Other participants may have other difficulties, and for the potential participants that may come a serious barrier to the participation.

As a R&D manager, my primary role is a preparation of the working space for the programmer(s) who are appointed for development of a product based on TiddlyWiki platform, supposedly. I have experience of providing workspaces with information and knowledge. My current result is 20-30 seconds per ANY topic available, to avoid reinvention of wheels so often seen even on TW space. I am trying to apply my experience to TW Community as much as I am allowed.

To make my project successful, I have to
- build the TW related knowledge network where anything can be found reliably and fast by any and all participants
- capture current status of the TW environment:
* TW development plans
* intents of participants
* advantages / disadvantages of TW products / platforms
The latter information is needed to make a decision on
- how namely the product will be developed,
- who to invite,
- what is available,
- what is yet to be developed, etc.

Awareness of TW resources is based on how easy and fast the resources can be found / discovered. Scattering of same or similar topics / instances between numerous wikis / pages / sites doesn't help at all. We have to come to a need in a "Single Entry Point":
http://confocal-manawatu.pbworks.com/w/page/62581790/Single%20Entry%20Point
"Entity Integrity means that each unique entity / concept / Topic must have a unique Single Entry Point / Primary Key / Topic Title. - DVS"
In other words,
a complete picture on any particular topic can be achieved only when all available information on the topic is collected and presented on the same page.
if a resources is meant to be reliably and quickly found / discovered, it must be present on the "Single Entry Point" page.
(I know, sounds too obvious even to talk about it.)

Here is my vision of the SEP for TiddlyWiki Community:
http://confocal-manawatu.pbworks.com/w/page/114249473/TiddlyWiki%20Single%20Entry%20Point
TW Community Search is a valuable source of resources. However, it can be transformed into TW SEP only at systematic and systemic work on TW Community in the limits and regulations the SEP concept.
Without SEP, we can forget about learning and knowledge exchange in our community. That is my belief based on my experience and practice.

Regarding the TWC - TW5 transfer.
I am still learning on the problem.
However, already at this stage I may suspect a lack of planned and systematic work on the TW platforms development, similar to what Mozilla, for example, does.
Mozilla develops a product and supports it.
Addon developers either realise themselves or receive complaints from the users of their addons. Invalid addons are excluded from the list of addons available for any particular version of a product.
That is my guess only but I hope it is close enough to the reality to be implemented for TW.

For example, I keep using a couple of unsupported addons, at my own risk. I have no complaints and know if I need it validated, that's me who must make it valid.
Probably, all Mozilla users can easily locate Addons in the Menu and find on Google how to install them, even manually. I.e. I see no "findability" problem there. To my understanding, a visibility is still missing at the TW platforms.
It's uncertainty that creates complaints, I think. We need to find the ways of reducing this uncertainty to the level acceptable by the TW Community.

It looks to me that the data formats / metadata, as well as plans on their modification are not easily accessible. There can be other issues with incompatibility of JS codes. However, that will be a minor problem if we start working in "Mozilla format" of handling plugins, macros and other addons.
We have to start monitoring Users Experience and offer TW developers a list of Change Requests arranged by the priorities, by a number of complaints from TW users, for example. At the moment, I have a feeling that every TW developer is focused on his own project / addon, have no overall picture and therefore doesn't really care.

Sorry for the extensive reply. I did not really mean to make it long.

DVS

 


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